There are so many points to refute that it would take an entire article to do so, so for the sake of brevity.... you state that the violent rapes didn’t occur but there are bodies of women & girls who had broken pelvises from the gang rapes, be they done by Hamas or PIJ. As far as waving goodbye or shaking hands with their benevolent captors, it has been reported that they were ordered to behave that way. It has also been reported that the hostages have suffered extreme trauma and torture in some cases., that they may never recover from. Why did they take babies as hostages? I have family in Israel, some of which do not support Netanyahu & they have a very take than you are reporting.
As far as the Al Aqsa Mosque, the Dome of the Rock has been there for a very long time however, it’s built on top of the exact place of the First & second Temple. The Temple Mount is the holiest place In Judaism but the 3rd holiest place in Islam. So, you built your Mosque on my holy place & who exactly is occupying who? This is not only occurring on the Temple Mount but all over Israel on top of Jewish holy places. They are being renamed in Arabic names.
I have spent many years in Israel & in 2019 I spent 3 months in Jerusalem going to the Western Wall & Temple Mount area often. The Muslims had built an illegal makeshift mosque on the Mount & was told by the government to remove it. As far as I know, it’s still there. Jews are not allowed to pray on the Temple Mount & are harassed if they go up there. I haven’t heard about this Israeli provocation on the Mount that you said was one of the reasons for the Oct 7 attack.
Max Blumenthal is not someone that I would go to for information. I rely on my friends & relatives to give me information. They live all over Israel & some of them have been there for over 13 generations. I also rely on first hand testimony from survivors which differs greatly from your account.
You are correct that PIJ is a horrible organization. But having said that, see the Fatwa that the Islamic Fatwa Council has issued: https://gettr.com/post/p2wjuvx62d7. So even they are against Hamas. I have numerous links to Mosab Hassan Yosef, the Son of Hamas, who has come out of semi isolation to call for the absolute destruction of Hamas. He spent time in an Israeli prison & witnessed first hand the murderous brutality of Hamas to Palestinians in the prison which caused him to question his entire upbringing & leave Gaza & convert to Christianity. He is on X, formerly Twitter & all over YouTube so he’s not difficult to find. He wrote a book called The Green Prince which was his code name when he worked for the Shin Bet after his imprisonment in the Israeli prison. He knows both sides of the issue so he’s much more believable than some of your sources.
Finally, because I’m not going to rebut your whole article, I want to say that I am not carrying any banner for Netanyahu. In my estimation he lost any admiration when he signed the secret agreement with Pfizer & turned his countrymen into an experiment, going against the very Nuremberg Code that was specifically written for the Holocaust victims to make sure that experiments on people anywhere would never happen again without informed consent. Whether there was any Israeli deep state involvement is, in my mind, up for debate, although it breaks my heart to think so. It also breaks my heart to learn of all the deep state horrors that have taken place in my home country of the United States.
Leslie, I appreciate the response. There's a lot of propaganda swirling around on both sides so it's hard to parse fact from fiction. No one I follow has given any credibility to the mass rape accusations. I'm open to it being true, but I'm also suspicious that there's propaganda involved: this kind of accusation seems tailor-made to infuriate and radicalize the Israeli public and the pro-Israel international community for supporting their campaign to flatten Gaza. It also works to dehumanize the Gazan people and make it seem like there was no point to the raid other than to cause terror. But as I discuss in the article, there were clear military objectives to the main aspects of the raid and performing senseless atrocities goes against these aims.
Here's where the nuance needs to come in:
There were clear atrocities and senseless killings that happened alongside the Hamas mission's main objectives. There were also many different groups who came streaming in. Who can say who did what and why? So if something like rape did happen, it doesn't make sense it would be done by trained members of the Hamas brigade but rather by one of these unaffiliated militant groups or by deliberately rogue actors planted into the situation by Israeli/US intelligence agents. In the latter case, the goal would be to deliberately commit atrocities for the purpose of ensuring public outrage and justifying Israel's counter-response (which I believe they had planned all along and is why they "let the attack happen"). I discuss this in the article and give a previous example of this type of thing happening.
The main point of the article is to show that Hamas did have strategic objectives to their campaign. But a lot of other groups came in as well and did all kinds of things that were not in alignment with the goals of the inital Hamas mission. And it also seems that Israel knew the invasion was coming, let it happen, performed many of the killings of Israelis themselves in their chaotic counter-response. It also seems that they had a ready-made propaganda campaign waiting in place to paint the invasion in the worst possible light because the goal they really wanted all along was to cleanse Gaza and set the stage for the New Middle East.
For the record, I'm not a fan of Hamas or militant Islam and don't see them as the good guys. And I have no problem condemning them for the atrocities they have committed. But I also don't view them as a natural evolution of the Islamic faith or the natural product of Islamic peoples. They have been artificially propped up (like many similar militant sects) by outside interests for strategic geopolitical reasons. It's now clear that Netanyahu has been one of these forces propping up Hamas.
The next article I'm doing goes into the history of how the CIA has used these groups for many decades as an asset to sow chaos in the Middle East as part of a larger divide-and-conquer strategy. In the same vein, I'm not a fan of Zionism or "militant Judaism" and I also see Israel as an asset of the US empire used for the same purposes. The issues around the Al Aqsa mosque have to be understood in this light: it's a perfect poison pill that's ready to be activated to spark regional war whenever the Deep State interests are ready to use it.
There's more to say but I'll stop here. I do appreciate the thoughtful comment.
More & more evidence of the rapes & killing of babies & children will surface. Because it’s true. There is body cam video from the terrorists & I have also seen video of captured terrorists admitting that they raped the women & girls to defile them. There is a Messianic Jew ( a term that I don’t agree with) he calls himself that. His name is Amir Tsarfati, he lives most of the time in Israel. He has a Telegram channel that he has practically minute by minute covered the War from the beginning to this moment. So he has videos of a lot of people, both captured Hamas & survivors. He has evidence of the underground tunnels under hospitals, etc. I get a bit annoyed by some of his comments because he’s biased towards what he terms “believers.” These are, & I have a difficult time writing this, Jews who believe in Jesus as the Messiah, hence the term Messianic Jews. But whatever, he’s an invaluable resource on factual information. He’s also on X, (Twitter) although not with as much detail, I don’t believe. I follow his Telegram because of the sheer amount of information.
Max Blumenthal is a Left wing radical not a journalist. Just look at who he writes for. The oppressor / oppressed view which is endemic on the Left today will make it very hard for anyone who is a Leftist to produce unbiased or accurate analysis on this subject.
"It is also now clear that a significant number of Israeli casualties were victims of the IDF (Israel Defense Force) in its counter-response to the invasion."
This just echoes talking points from Hezvollah's Nisrallah. There is simply no evidence that this is the case. The IDF wasn't wandering around a music festival killing civilians.
You (and Max) lose me completely when you state "they have been accused of things like beheading babies and mass rape, but no credible evidence has emerged that these actually took place."
There is body camera video from the terrorists. Journalists who have seen it needed counseling. There are eyewitnesses (multiple) who were playing dead under a stack of bodies and watched girls at the music festival being raped and executed. Forensically, an oddly high frequency of 16-25 year old women have been found with cracked or broken pelvises. There are survivors of the kibitzes who saw their neighbors being burned alive.
You are simply justifying an attempted genocide. Please stop. You can think what Israel is doing today is wrong without becoming an anti-semite and an apologist for terrorism and mass murder.
Brian, I disagree with your assessment about the IDF: it's quite clear that they were shooting any and everyone in sight, killing a significant number of their own civilians in the process. As far as the atrocities committed, here's where things become murky. No doubt some of them took place, but it's not clear that everything they were accused of that day happened. I'm not saying that to defend them or paint them as good guys, but to get at something deeper: the US and Israeli Deep States not only knew about the operation and "let it happen", but were also ready from the get-go with a propaganda campaign to paint the invasion in the worst possible light and sell their planned counter-response to it, which was to flatten Gaza and set the stage for restructuring of the geopolitical chessboard in the Middle East. That was the real goal, and it's playing out in real time.
I concur that the fog of war is very real. Haven't we seen that in Ukraine so many times, when the first reports get walked back? But the first reports in this case have never really been walked back or contradicted with any real evidence. The broken pelvises of 17 year old girls are real. Accounts of survivors are real. Body camera footage of blood soaked baby nurseries are real. And (in one of the most colossal tactical errors is Israeli history) the IDF wasn't anywhere near that music festival. Once he finishes the war itself, that blunder is probably going to cost Netanyahu his job.
It is certainly possible that the Israeli / American deep states "let this happen", just as you've had people for decades claiming that Bush "let 9/11 happen". Short of a "smoking email" from Bibi saying "why don't you guys pull back from that music festival that's just 3 km from the Gaza border and see what happens", there is no way to argue this point.
However, I think we should always keep Hanlon's razor in mind: "do not attribute to malice or conspiracy that which simple incompetence can explain." Also something that has been on full display in Ukraine.
It's not necessary to choose sides. In fact choosing sides makes you a judge which is wasted negative energy. All anyone has to do is acknowledge that violence against another is wrong. What you choose to give your attention to is what you continue to create.
The Law of Atrraction is the Law of the Universe . What you send out is what you get back. How do you interpret what I wrote as not choosing against evil?
“ So while the murder of innocent Israeli citizens did happen on 10/7 and should rightfully be condoned and condemned,”.
Great analysis, but you may want to remove “condoned” from this sentence. I don’t think that’s what you meant to say here.
You’re right I removed it thanks
There are so many points to refute that it would take an entire article to do so, so for the sake of brevity.... you state that the violent rapes didn’t occur but there are bodies of women & girls who had broken pelvises from the gang rapes, be they done by Hamas or PIJ. As far as waving goodbye or shaking hands with their benevolent captors, it has been reported that they were ordered to behave that way. It has also been reported that the hostages have suffered extreme trauma and torture in some cases., that they may never recover from. Why did they take babies as hostages? I have family in Israel, some of which do not support Netanyahu & they have a very take than you are reporting.
As far as the Al Aqsa Mosque, the Dome of the Rock has been there for a very long time however, it’s built on top of the exact place of the First & second Temple. The Temple Mount is the holiest place In Judaism but the 3rd holiest place in Islam. So, you built your Mosque on my holy place & who exactly is occupying who? This is not only occurring on the Temple Mount but all over Israel on top of Jewish holy places. They are being renamed in Arabic names.
I have spent many years in Israel & in 2019 I spent 3 months in Jerusalem going to the Western Wall & Temple Mount area often. The Muslims had built an illegal makeshift mosque on the Mount & was told by the government to remove it. As far as I know, it’s still there. Jews are not allowed to pray on the Temple Mount & are harassed if they go up there. I haven’t heard about this Israeli provocation on the Mount that you said was one of the reasons for the Oct 7 attack.
Max Blumenthal is not someone that I would go to for information. I rely on my friends & relatives to give me information. They live all over Israel & some of them have been there for over 13 generations. I also rely on first hand testimony from survivors which differs greatly from your account.
You are correct that PIJ is a horrible organization. But having said that, see the Fatwa that the Islamic Fatwa Council has issued: https://gettr.com/post/p2wjuvx62d7. So even they are against Hamas. I have numerous links to Mosab Hassan Yosef, the Son of Hamas, who has come out of semi isolation to call for the absolute destruction of Hamas. He spent time in an Israeli prison & witnessed first hand the murderous brutality of Hamas to Palestinians in the prison which caused him to question his entire upbringing & leave Gaza & convert to Christianity. He is on X, formerly Twitter & all over YouTube so he’s not difficult to find. He wrote a book called The Green Prince which was his code name when he worked for the Shin Bet after his imprisonment in the Israeli prison. He knows both sides of the issue so he’s much more believable than some of your sources.
Finally, because I’m not going to rebut your whole article, I want to say that I am not carrying any banner for Netanyahu. In my estimation he lost any admiration when he signed the secret agreement with Pfizer & turned his countrymen into an experiment, going against the very Nuremberg Code that was specifically written for the Holocaust victims to make sure that experiments on people anywhere would never happen again without informed consent. Whether there was any Israeli deep state involvement is, in my mind, up for debate, although it breaks my heart to think so. It also breaks my heart to learn of all the deep state horrors that have taken place in my home country of the United States.
Leslie, I appreciate the response. There's a lot of propaganda swirling around on both sides so it's hard to parse fact from fiction. No one I follow has given any credibility to the mass rape accusations. I'm open to it being true, but I'm also suspicious that there's propaganda involved: this kind of accusation seems tailor-made to infuriate and radicalize the Israeli public and the pro-Israel international community for supporting their campaign to flatten Gaza. It also works to dehumanize the Gazan people and make it seem like there was no point to the raid other than to cause terror. But as I discuss in the article, there were clear military objectives to the main aspects of the raid and performing senseless atrocities goes against these aims.
Here's where the nuance needs to come in:
There were clear atrocities and senseless killings that happened alongside the Hamas mission's main objectives. There were also many different groups who came streaming in. Who can say who did what and why? So if something like rape did happen, it doesn't make sense it would be done by trained members of the Hamas brigade but rather by one of these unaffiliated militant groups or by deliberately rogue actors planted into the situation by Israeli/US intelligence agents. In the latter case, the goal would be to deliberately commit atrocities for the purpose of ensuring public outrage and justifying Israel's counter-response (which I believe they had planned all along and is why they "let the attack happen"). I discuss this in the article and give a previous example of this type of thing happening.
The main point of the article is to show that Hamas did have strategic objectives to their campaign. But a lot of other groups came in as well and did all kinds of things that were not in alignment with the goals of the inital Hamas mission. And it also seems that Israel knew the invasion was coming, let it happen, performed many of the killings of Israelis themselves in their chaotic counter-response. It also seems that they had a ready-made propaganda campaign waiting in place to paint the invasion in the worst possible light because the goal they really wanted all along was to cleanse Gaza and set the stage for the New Middle East.
For the record, I'm not a fan of Hamas or militant Islam and don't see them as the good guys. And I have no problem condemning them for the atrocities they have committed. But I also don't view them as a natural evolution of the Islamic faith or the natural product of Islamic peoples. They have been artificially propped up (like many similar militant sects) by outside interests for strategic geopolitical reasons. It's now clear that Netanyahu has been one of these forces propping up Hamas.
The next article I'm doing goes into the history of how the CIA has used these groups for many decades as an asset to sow chaos in the Middle East as part of a larger divide-and-conquer strategy. In the same vein, I'm not a fan of Zionism or "militant Judaism" and I also see Israel as an asset of the US empire used for the same purposes. The issues around the Al Aqsa mosque have to be understood in this light: it's a perfect poison pill that's ready to be activated to spark regional war whenever the Deep State interests are ready to use it.
There's more to say but I'll stop here. I do appreciate the thoughtful comment.
Thank you for responding.
More & more evidence of the rapes & killing of babies & children will surface. Because it’s true. There is body cam video from the terrorists & I have also seen video of captured terrorists admitting that they raped the women & girls to defile them. There is a Messianic Jew ( a term that I don’t agree with) he calls himself that. His name is Amir Tsarfati, he lives most of the time in Israel. He has a Telegram channel that he has practically minute by minute covered the War from the beginning to this moment. So he has videos of a lot of people, both captured Hamas & survivors. He has evidence of the underground tunnels under hospitals, etc. I get a bit annoyed by some of his comments because he’s biased towards what he terms “believers.” These are, & I have a difficult time writing this, Jews who believe in Jesus as the Messiah, hence the term Messianic Jews. But whatever, he’s an invaluable resource on factual information. He’s also on X, (Twitter) although not with as much detail, I don’t believe. I follow his Telegram because of the sheer amount of information.
https://freebeacon.com/israel/irit-lahav-nir-oz-survivor/ here’s a first person survivor account.
Max Blumenthal is a Left wing radical not a journalist. Just look at who he writes for. The oppressor / oppressed view which is endemic on the Left today will make it very hard for anyone who is a Leftist to produce unbiased or accurate analysis on this subject.
"It is also now clear that a significant number of Israeli casualties were victims of the IDF (Israel Defense Force) in its counter-response to the invasion."
This just echoes talking points from Hezvollah's Nisrallah. There is simply no evidence that this is the case. The IDF wasn't wandering around a music festival killing civilians.
You (and Max) lose me completely when you state "they have been accused of things like beheading babies and mass rape, but no credible evidence has emerged that these actually took place."
There is body camera video from the terrorists. Journalists who have seen it needed counseling. There are eyewitnesses (multiple) who were playing dead under a stack of bodies and watched girls at the music festival being raped and executed. Forensically, an oddly high frequency of 16-25 year old women have been found with cracked or broken pelvises. There are survivors of the kibitzes who saw their neighbors being burned alive.
You are simply justifying an attempted genocide. Please stop. You can think what Israel is doing today is wrong without becoming an anti-semite and an apologist for terrorism and mass murder.
Brian, I disagree with your assessment about the IDF: it's quite clear that they were shooting any and everyone in sight, killing a significant number of their own civilians in the process. As far as the atrocities committed, here's where things become murky. No doubt some of them took place, but it's not clear that everything they were accused of that day happened. I'm not saying that to defend them or paint them as good guys, but to get at something deeper: the US and Israeli Deep States not only knew about the operation and "let it happen", but were also ready from the get-go with a propaganda campaign to paint the invasion in the worst possible light and sell their planned counter-response to it, which was to flatten Gaza and set the stage for restructuring of the geopolitical chessboard in the Middle East. That was the real goal, and it's playing out in real time.
I concur that the fog of war is very real. Haven't we seen that in Ukraine so many times, when the first reports get walked back? But the first reports in this case have never really been walked back or contradicted with any real evidence. The broken pelvises of 17 year old girls are real. Accounts of survivors are real. Body camera footage of blood soaked baby nurseries are real. And (in one of the most colossal tactical errors is Israeli history) the IDF wasn't anywhere near that music festival. Once he finishes the war itself, that blunder is probably going to cost Netanyahu his job.
It is certainly possible that the Israeli / American deep states "let this happen", just as you've had people for decades claiming that Bush "let 9/11 happen". Short of a "smoking email" from Bibi saying "why don't you guys pull back from that music festival that's just 3 km from the Gaza border and see what happens", there is no way to argue this point.
However, I think we should always keep Hanlon's razor in mind: "do not attribute to malice or conspiracy that which simple incompetence can explain." Also something that has been on full display in Ukraine.
Thank you for this response.
Thank you for this comment.
It's not necessary to choose sides. In fact choosing sides makes you a judge which is wasted negative energy. All anyone has to do is acknowledge that violence against another is wrong. What you choose to give your attention to is what you continue to create.
I disagree, if you don’t choose against evil then you’re part of the problem.
The Law of Atrraction is the Law of the Universe . What you send out is what you get back. How do you interpret what I wrote as not choosing against evil?